Used / Reduced Price Kayaks, Canoes, and Frames for Sale
We build a LOT of prototypes in the development of our skin on frame designs and many of them only are barely used before moving on to the next iteration. None of these boats are perfect, but many of them are pretty darn good, and they cost much less than our new custom boats. (Starting price on a new custom kayak or canoe is $2600 with no extras) Although not shown in the pictures, all kayaks and canoes are sold with seating/floor mats. Price listed is for local pickup if paying with with a check. We offer $100 discount for cash payment. Add 3% if paying by card, add $100 to wrap for shipping. We ship with KAS Transport, feel free to contact us or them for a shipping estimate. Current coast to coast shipping is about $700. Feel free to email or call to discuss any of these boats. Note: there are video links at the bottom of each boat description.
Pedal Drive Canoe prototype, used 5 times, $1200-2000 depending on options.
14'8" long, 29" wide, 40lbs in normal canoe mode (includes flotation), 54lbs in pedal drive mode. This is the first prototype we built when developing the pedal drive canoe system. This canoe can be used as a pedal drive boat or the rudder and drive adapter box can be removed and the drive hole plugged to convert to a normal canoe. Ribs are white oak, stringers are western red cedar, gunwales are a cedar/spruce lamination, outwales are cherry, seat is ash, skin is 9oz ballistic nylon coated with 4 coats of 2 part polyurethane, stem bands are HDPE. 4" foam cylinder floatation included. You can see this boat in action in our Pedal Drive Canoe Explainer Video by clicking the following link youtu.be/rjjZsJyLBFo?si=JEWoQ5O5mpwf2krp
This boat was only used 5 times before moving on to the next prototype so it is basically new. I am 5'8" 165lbs and if this boat was 1 inch wider I would keep it as my personal all purpose canoe. Reasons I am selling it: The spruce layer on top of the gunwales makes them much tougher, but adds 2lbs. For me personally I don't care about the toughness and prefer the lighter weight. The 29 inch width is not quite stable enough for me to fish out of in rough water in pedal drive mode. In all other condition including rough water in normal canoe mode, it works fine. It also trims slightly aft, not a huge deal but will benefit from putting your day paddling gear in front of you as opposed to behind. The initial adapter box design used 6 attachment screws which has not failed in use, but I did notice that the integrated plywood base plate has curved slightly under the tension of the skin resulting in less pressure on the foam seal toward the center of the ends. This has not leaked yet but in the subsequent models I now use 10 attachment bolts for redundancy in case one bolt fails and to keep the base plate flatter. The aluminum rudder blade is wider and shorter than what I currently use. A narrower longer blade adds more turning power. I have no idea if this could create an issue in the future. So far it has not. The tops of the gunwales are dirty from my roof rack, and it is missing the self rescue loops (which could also be used to mount an outrigger, see our offshore kayak fishing series on YouTube) There are various small holes and pencil marks on the gunwales from various experiments.
This boat would be a good fit for paddlers from 5'2" to 5'9" tall. 120-175 lbs. Weight of paddlers shown in order: 140, 165, 190lbs. On the smaller end of that spectrum it could be used for camping in mild to moderate conditions. On the upper end of that spectrum it should be used as a day boat in calm water or moderate water by and experienced paddler.
Base Price: $1200 (New price for this would be $3600 without the drive)
New Freedom Drive: $200 (Paid $350, I hate this drive)
New Mirage Drive, non reverse, regular fins: $600 (paid $750)
Re-rig rescue/outrigger loops $100
Pack for shipping $100
This boat was only used 5 times before moving on to the next prototype so it is basically new. I am 5'8" 165lbs and if this boat was 1 inch wider I would keep it as my personal all purpose canoe. Reasons I am selling it: The spruce layer on top of the gunwales makes them much tougher, but adds 2lbs. For me personally I don't care about the toughness and prefer the lighter weight. The 29 inch width is not quite stable enough for me to fish out of in rough water in pedal drive mode. In all other condition including rough water in normal canoe mode, it works fine. It also trims slightly aft, not a huge deal but will benefit from putting your day paddling gear in front of you as opposed to behind. The initial adapter box design used 6 attachment screws which has not failed in use, but I did notice that the integrated plywood base plate has curved slightly under the tension of the skin resulting in less pressure on the foam seal toward the center of the ends. This has not leaked yet but in the subsequent models I now use 10 attachment bolts for redundancy in case one bolt fails and to keep the base plate flatter. The aluminum rudder blade is wider and shorter than what I currently use. A narrower longer blade adds more turning power. I have no idea if this could create an issue in the future. So far it has not. The tops of the gunwales are dirty from my roof rack, and it is missing the self rescue loops (which could also be used to mount an outrigger, see our offshore kayak fishing series on YouTube) There are various small holes and pencil marks on the gunwales from various experiments.
This boat would be a good fit for paddlers from 5'2" to 5'9" tall. 120-175 lbs. Weight of paddlers shown in order: 140, 165, 190lbs. On the smaller end of that spectrum it could be used for camping in mild to moderate conditions. On the upper end of that spectrum it should be used as a day boat in calm water or moderate water by and experienced paddler.
Base Price: $1200 (New price for this would be $3600 without the drive)
New Freedom Drive: $200 (Paid $350, I hate this drive)
New Mirage Drive, non reverse, regular fins: $600 (paid $750)
Re-rig rescue/outrigger loops $100
Pack for shipping $100
Small Solo Canoe, used aproximately 10 times, stored outside 2 years, $700
13'10" long, 29.5" wide, 12.5" deep, 2.5" rocker, 32lbs. Gunwales and stringers are made from western red cedar, ribs are made from white oak, outwales are made from cherry, seat is laminated from walnut. Skin is 9 oz ballistic nylon coated with 4 coats of 2 part polyurethane and 2 extra coats on the bottom. Stem bands are Delrin. I built this canoe in 2021 when I was beginning to add tumblehome to my canoes. There is an extremely detailed video about this boat on our YouTube channel here: youtu.be/W8QtJkjLvPc?si=icMk_4kSu9RQrXK0
The canoe is slightly small for me at 5'8" 165lbs, but I had a lot of fun with it as a day boat, fishing and running whitewater up to class II. You can see that on my YouTube channel here: youtu.be/dr5mL7yb2rA?si=12GHvPa5ulTR3Ux6. I personally love a manueverable canoe so I built this with 2.5" of rocker which might be a bit loose for some people, depending on your preferences. With practice I could keep it going straight with a good C-stroke and still enjoy spinning it on a dime. If this boat was 14'3" long instead of 13'10" long, I'd probably keep it!
Why I'm selling it: As a designer I am constantly producing new prototypes and don't have storage for more than 10 boats at a time. This canoe has been sitting outside upside down for 3 years because I like it and didn't want to part with it. The gunwales have a few bangs and gouges from my utter lack of care, but there is no structural damage. The outwales were originally oiled with Rubio monocoat. It's good stuff but these days we use varnish. With extreme care I think these could be removed and varnished when it comes time to re-skin. The skin is worn from UV exposure, but otherwise has very few scratches. I would estimate the remaining skin life to be 2 years of hard use or 4 years of normal use. Reskinning costs $200 in materials and takes 3 days including coating. The sinew tying the frame together is slightly thinner than what we use now but shows no damage. This canoe includes the cleats and mast step for our pop-up sail system but does not come with a sail and I don't have time to build one. I hope to have DIY instructions for our sail available by the end of the year. This would be good general purpose "playful" canoe for anyone from 130 to 170lbs. Smaller people could also load it down for tripping. Floor mat is included. The first photo gallery shows this canoe when it was new, the second is what it looks like now.
The canoe is slightly small for me at 5'8" 165lbs, but I had a lot of fun with it as a day boat, fishing and running whitewater up to class II. You can see that on my YouTube channel here: youtu.be/dr5mL7yb2rA?si=12GHvPa5ulTR3Ux6. I personally love a manueverable canoe so I built this with 2.5" of rocker which might be a bit loose for some people, depending on your preferences. With practice I could keep it going straight with a good C-stroke and still enjoy spinning it on a dime. If this boat was 14'3" long instead of 13'10" long, I'd probably keep it!
Why I'm selling it: As a designer I am constantly producing new prototypes and don't have storage for more than 10 boats at a time. This canoe has been sitting outside upside down for 3 years because I like it and didn't want to part with it. The gunwales have a few bangs and gouges from my utter lack of care, but there is no structural damage. The outwales were originally oiled with Rubio monocoat. It's good stuff but these days we use varnish. With extreme care I think these could be removed and varnished when it comes time to re-skin. The skin is worn from UV exposure, but otherwise has very few scratches. I would estimate the remaining skin life to be 2 years of hard use or 4 years of normal use. Reskinning costs $200 in materials and takes 3 days including coating. The sinew tying the frame together is slightly thinner than what we use now but shows no damage. This canoe includes the cleats and mast step for our pop-up sail system but does not come with a sail and I don't have time to build one. I hope to have DIY instructions for our sail available by the end of the year. This would be good general purpose "playful" canoe for anyone from 130 to 170lbs. Smaller people could also load it down for tripping. Floor mat is included. The first photo gallery shows this canoe when it was new, the second is what it looks like now.
SOLD Used Medium Size LPB kayak, $1100. SOLD
16'3" long, 22" wide, 36lbs. Gunwales, stringers, stems, and deck beams are western red cedar, ribs are white oak. Skin is 9oz ballistic nylon coated with 5 layers of 2 part polyurethane plus a liquid keel strip. Brass bow protection strip, HDPE stern keel protection strip, reflective perimeter lines, bungee loop on the foredeck. Slidelock footbraces, Snap Dragon backband, drain plug, foam thigh braces. Full length seat pad to put on top of the ribs included. It is rigged for sail, although expert kayaking skills are needed to sail a boat this light and narrow. Here is a video of me sailing it: youtu.be/4PaXj9_YOx0?si=fQUi8bRfGB5zs6_r
This is my personal LPB and I love paddling it. I built it with 3/8" more rocker than the standard design because I like maneuverability. You can see this boat on the water in the LPB explainer video here: youtu.be/fUIg6rOSEbs?si=vHxbqBcvzLqA534t
Why I'm selling it: We are constantly updating our designs and this boat is 4 years old now so it's time to build a new one. This has the older style footbraces which are much lighter but not as positive, under the ribs foam support in the cockpit (this could be changed to our suspended seat design by following our YouTube tutorial), it has 3 layers of coating over acid dye coloring instead of the more durable 4 layers and a keel strip with pigment coloring we use now. The ribs in the back are slightly collapsed although this actually improves performance. There are a few worn spots along the keel which will need to be replenished with aqua seal and a brutal scratch from hitting a sharp volcanic rock at high speed while sailing. I rub aqua seal on this from time to time. I estimate the remaining lifespan of this skin to be 2 years of hard use or 4 years of careful use. Reskinning costs $200 and takes 3 days of work. There are 2 screws on either gunwale behind the cockpit plugging the holes where I changed this from the leather strap to the newer bungee back deck system. There are two "catamaran attachments" on the center ridge of the front deck from an earlier project.
The ideal paddler for this boat is going to be 150 to 175lbs with an inseam less than 32". But it will work for someone 140 to 185lbs although at the larger size it won't have capacity for camping gear. Paddler shown is 140lbs and sitting a bit high.
This is my personal LPB and I love paddling it. I built it with 3/8" more rocker than the standard design because I like maneuverability. You can see this boat on the water in the LPB explainer video here: youtu.be/fUIg6rOSEbs?si=vHxbqBcvzLqA534t
Why I'm selling it: We are constantly updating our designs and this boat is 4 years old now so it's time to build a new one. This has the older style footbraces which are much lighter but not as positive, under the ribs foam support in the cockpit (this could be changed to our suspended seat design by following our YouTube tutorial), it has 3 layers of coating over acid dye coloring instead of the more durable 4 layers and a keel strip with pigment coloring we use now. The ribs in the back are slightly collapsed although this actually improves performance. There are a few worn spots along the keel which will need to be replenished with aqua seal and a brutal scratch from hitting a sharp volcanic rock at high speed while sailing. I rub aqua seal on this from time to time. I estimate the remaining lifespan of this skin to be 2 years of hard use or 4 years of careful use. Reskinning costs $200 and takes 3 days of work. There are 2 screws on either gunwale behind the cockpit plugging the holes where I changed this from the leather strap to the newer bungee back deck system. There are two "catamaran attachments" on the center ridge of the front deck from an earlier project.
The ideal paddler for this boat is going to be 150 to 175lbs with an inseam less than 32". But it will work for someone 140 to 185lbs although at the larger size it won't have capacity for camping gear. Paddler shown is 140lbs and sitting a bit high.
SOLD NEW Small Size LPB prototype, $1300 with rudder, $1100 without rudder.
16'3" long, 21" wide, 41lbs with rudder, 37lbs without rudder. Gunwales, stringers, stems, and deck beams are western red cedar, ribs are white oak. Skin is 9oz ballistic nylon coated with 5 layers of 2 part polyurethane plus a tinted liquid keel strip. Brass stem protection in the front, delrin keel protection in the back. Drain plug, foam thigh hooks, suspended seat, foredeck bungee, rigged for sail although expert skills are needed to sail a kayak this narrow. Smart track rudder is optional and can be removed saving 3lbs. This is an incredible deal on a brand new boat if it fits you and you can live with its issues.
Why I'm selling it: I built this small prototype LPB while I was expanding the size range. It was built with red cedar but for whatever reason that particular board was surprisingly heavy, adding a bit of extra weight. That plus the heavy coating layup and the rudder has this boat clocking in about 5 pounds heavier than I wanted this boat to be. Also, I forgot to compensate for the loss of sheer that occurs in narrower sizes, so it has 1/2" less rocker than I was aiming for. Finally, for reasons I cannot explain, the kayak is 1/3rd mph slower than it should be at high cruising or sprint speeds.
The ideal paddler for this boat is going to be 120-140 lbs, 5'2" to 5'7" with an inseam of 32" or less, who doesn't care that it is a bit heavier than it should be and possibly a little bit slow. We can remove the rudder for you if you don't want the extra weight, and also put in a seat mat on top of the ribs.
Why I'm selling it: I built this small prototype LPB while I was expanding the size range. It was built with red cedar but for whatever reason that particular board was surprisingly heavy, adding a bit of extra weight. That plus the heavy coating layup and the rudder has this boat clocking in about 5 pounds heavier than I wanted this boat to be. Also, I forgot to compensate for the loss of sheer that occurs in narrower sizes, so it has 1/2" less rocker than I was aiming for. Finally, for reasons I cannot explain, the kayak is 1/3rd mph slower than it should be at high cruising or sprint speeds.
The ideal paddler for this boat is going to be 120-140 lbs, 5'2" to 5'7" with an inseam of 32" or less, who doesn't care that it is a bit heavier than it should be and possibly a little bit slow. We can remove the rudder for you if you don't want the extra weight, and also put in a seat mat on top of the ribs.
NEW F1 kayak frame for large size (265-280 lb) paddler. $600
16'3" long, 26" wide. I built this frame while I was redesigning the larger sizes of my F1 kayak design. I never had time to finish it and find the right size test paddler so I am selling it cheap in hopes that a larger person will buy it and put a skin on it and let me know how it paddles! Gunwales, stringers, stems, and deck beams are western red cedar except for the deck beam behind the cockpit which is ash, ribs are white oak. The frame is a bit dirty from being stored outside (under cover) but other than that it's in perfect condition and just needs a coaming and a skin. T-nuts are already installed in the gunwales for foot braces and the cockpit length and footbrace position should accommodate someone with up to a 36" inseam. To finish this kayak you will want to order our Kayak Building Supplies Kit with an extra large coaming and the bungee back deck option. To skin this kayak you will want to order 17 feet of 840 xtra tuff nylon cloth and 1.5 orders of the 2 part polyurethane sold by skinboats.com. Total cost to finish the boat will be about $600 and I will include our skinning instructions for free. Finished the boat should weigh about 40lbs.
Greenland Kayak Display Frame, unfinished $500, Sanded and oiled $700
17 feet long, 21 inches wide, 25 lbs. Gunwales, stringers, and stems are western red cedar, ribs are white oak, masik is beech, fore and aft deck stringers are ash, breast plates are cherry. Tied with flat artificial sinew.
Greenland kayak frames make beautiful display pieces for large spaces when properly hung and lit, which is not the case in these photos! I built this frame as part of project I abandoned showing people how to add a drop skeg to a skin boat (works fine, just don't have time to make the instructions) so it has a weird split keel in the stern. The rib in the foot area has been partially removed as was customary on these kayaks. There are a couple cut dowels in the gunwale when I had temporarily added a deck beam and then removed it. There are also a couple stainless T-nuts in one gunwale because I used it as a demo frame for how to add mechanical footbraces. Apart from that it has all the usual marks and slightly rough spots of an unfinished frame. So it's not a perfect frame but with a bit of cosmetic work it could be made to look pretty nice at a fraction of the cost of a new custom frame. (starting at $1500) The shaping is on this boat is NOT GOOD for paddling so this is being sold as a display frame only. We can spend a day sanding and finishing it to your preference (including distressing if desired), or you can do it yourself.
Greenland kayak frames make beautiful display pieces for large spaces when properly hung and lit, which is not the case in these photos! I built this frame as part of project I abandoned showing people how to add a drop skeg to a skin boat (works fine, just don't have time to make the instructions) so it has a weird split keel in the stern. The rib in the foot area has been partially removed as was customary on these kayaks. There are a couple cut dowels in the gunwale when I had temporarily added a deck beam and then removed it. There are also a couple stainless T-nuts in one gunwale because I used it as a demo frame for how to add mechanical footbraces. Apart from that it has all the usual marks and slightly rough spots of an unfinished frame. So it's not a perfect frame but with a bit of cosmetic work it could be made to look pretty nice at a fraction of the cost of a new custom frame. (starting at $1500) The shaping is on this boat is NOT GOOD for paddling so this is being sold as a display frame only. We can spend a day sanding and finishing it to your preference (including distressing if desired), or you can do it yourself.
SOLD Smaller River Kayak Prototype, used 4 times, some UV damage $700.
13'4" long , 23 1/2" wide, 31 lbs. This experimental kayak is a fusion between my F1 kayak design and a traditional North Alaskan kayak shape to create a kayak that is extremely maneuverable and quite quick for its length and hull shape. The idea here was a light, very maneuverable kayak for running multi-day self-support trips on swiftwater rivers where a normal sea kayak wouldn't be maneuverable enough. This is specifically designed for moving water and would not be a good boat for general flatwater paddling. At my weight of 160lbs it was a nice little day boat up for up to class 2 whitewater, but didn't have enough volume to run class 3 comfortably. For multidays I wanted more volume as well. Otherwise it had a nice paddling balance and a lovely "feel".
The frame is western red cedar and white oak and the skin is 9oz nylon, lightly used, but it has aged in the sun which had definitely reduced the lifespan. The rigging is stripped off of this kayak, but it could easily be re-rigged with a variety of different deck line options. This kayak has a drain plug! If I were to keep this I would beat it up for a few more years, then strip the skin and replace the stringer below the gunwale with a slightly taller one before reskinning for a just a bit more 'push-back' when edging. This has a single lip coaming which is solid for rolling with a well fitted skirt, but not sea sock compatible. Thigh braces are installed. The skin is 9oz ballistic nylon with 5 coats of 2 part polyurethane. This would make a good day boat for someone 150-170lbs and could actually be a really fun little crossover river camping boat for someone lighter. Obviously this needs to be piloted using good judgement in whitewater, skin on frame boats will absorb impacts that will shatter fiberglass, but it's still not nearly as tough as plastic. You assume all risks for how you use this. You can see this kayak being paddled on whitewater on on YouTube here and well as general design discussion here.
The frame is western red cedar and white oak and the skin is 9oz nylon, lightly used, but it has aged in the sun which had definitely reduced the lifespan. The rigging is stripped off of this kayak, but it could easily be re-rigged with a variety of different deck line options. This kayak has a drain plug! If I were to keep this I would beat it up for a few more years, then strip the skin and replace the stringer below the gunwale with a slightly taller one before reskinning for a just a bit more 'push-back' when edging. This has a single lip coaming which is solid for rolling with a well fitted skirt, but not sea sock compatible. Thigh braces are installed. The skin is 9oz ballistic nylon with 5 coats of 2 part polyurethane. This would make a good day boat for someone 150-170lbs and could actually be a really fun little crossover river camping boat for someone lighter. Obviously this needs to be piloted using good judgement in whitewater, skin on frame boats will absorb impacts that will shatter fiberglass, but it's still not nearly as tough as plastic. You assume all risks for how you use this. You can see this kayak being paddled on whitewater on on YouTube here and well as general design discussion here.
SOLD Larger River Kayak Prototype, used 1 time, minor uv damage $1400
13'6" long 24" wide, 35lbs. This was the next step in the river kayak evolution. I gave it more volume overall, raised the back deck for easier loading of camping gear, and made the keel and stringers Port Orford cedar for more strength. It didn't have quite the same slick speed as the smaller boat, but it was still quicker than most crossover kayaks, a lot lighter, and had the volume I needed for camping and bigger water. Sadly, this kayak was only used once because I got too busy with other design projects to pursue the design any further. My big mistake with this boat was giving it more V up front, and less in the rear. It retrospect I should have reversed that recipe for more natural tracking but it still paddles well, and I think a keel strip in the back would give this a nice tracking balance (happy to add that for you). Just like its little brother, this kayak is intended for multi day trips on swift water and is whitewater capable in experienced hands with reasonably chosen lines. It can handle some pretty hard hits, but it's not plastic. It's not a great boat for exclusively flat water like lakes because it has no natural tracking, it will paddle straight if you paddle it straight but like all river oriented craft it will spin in a circle if not being actively paddled. It has a 9oz nylon skin with 5 coats of polyurethane that is barely used but there's a little bit of fading on one side of the deck from UV exposure. The frame is western red cedar, Port Orford cedar and white oak. It has a double lip coaming which is sea sock compatible and it has a drain plug. Thigh braces are installed. You can see video of the one and only time I paddled this on Instagram here.